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20 Sep 03 18:00

2.00 ARIS Saloniki v Xanthi 0:1 1.70.
1.5 units on Xanthi +1.
under @ 1.65 for 0.5 units.
half time draw @ 2.1 for 0.5 units.

This line is insane, aris is one of those greek teams plagued by serious financial difficulties, they nearly failed to pay the greek irs to get permission to compete this year, all their better players got transfers to other teams, and those remained are still unpaid. Their squad is made up of half their youth team. On the other hand Xanthi is as per usual a half decent team, one of the most financialy sound teams in the league, with some good talent, a very capable coach, and a spectacular training center in their home town. Admittedly results have not been going their way, but they haven't been too bad either, a draw with uefa contender panionios away 0-0, a marginal loss 1-0 by cl fame panathinaikos, and a more clear 2-0 loss to newcomers chalchidona away. Aris besides a morale boosting 3-0 win over poor proodeftiki, have lost 1-0 to relegation prone Akratitos and drew 0-0 with newcomers paniliakos.

To cut a long story short, neither form, nor injuries, nor team quality warrants a whole goal handicap against xanthi. Xanthi might have a couple of key absences but against aris's juniors i can't see how that could weigh this much against them. Add the fact that xanthi last year was one of the best away teams, and that neither teams score or accept goals that easily, and it seems the harsh and unfair gamebookers vig on the handicap for xanthi is a good betting offer. Hence the 1 and a half units.

I like another couple of betting options here, the under at 1.65 being an obvious choice, maybe too obvious and hence only for a half unit, and the half time draw at 2.1 which imo has much more than 50% chances.


Kallithea v Panionios
0.35 units on the draw at 3.0

Small bet on the draw here which seems like the most possible result by far. Panionios has not conveinced me yet they have what it takes for an away win over much improved kallithea, and the draw is worth a punt.

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OFI Crete v Chalkidona
Ofi at 1.65 for 1 unit.
Under at 2.0 for 0.75 units.

Ofi has shown distinct signs of improvent, and on home ground should have no problem with newcomers chalkidona. I have confidence in both coach skanzi and a few very talented players in the ofi roster.
For some reason gamebookers have made the under a dog with 2.0 odds. This is downright wrong, except for a the three top 3 teams (aek, panathinaikos and olympiakos) no other greek team should have their over odds at such a high price in the low scoring and bad quality greek league. Sure enough ofi had 4 goals against them by iraklis, but they were playing with a player less from the 10th minute or so, and a 1-3 defeat by umbrella team panathinaikos. Chalchidona is not really what you call a boxing sack defensively. I am not saying the bet will hit, how could i, but there's a huge overlay in the odds here and i am not willing to let it pass.


PAOK Saloniki v Prodeftiki
Under at 2.2 for 1 unit.
Paok half time at 1.6 for 0.5 units.

Another insane line, this one must be one of the most, well, out of line lines i ve seen in a long time. How can you rate the under at 2.2 when both teams have gone 4-2 unders in their games so far, and the overs where only marginal 3-0 and 2-1, it's really beyond me. Proodeftiki might be seriously weakened since last year, but so is paok. Proodeftiki can't and doesn't score besides the odd goal, and are one of the most defencive teams in the league. Paok have a hard time scoring too. When i first saw this line i was just about to call and inform them they had a bad line up.
I am also betting paok to be winning by the end of the first half, i find the odds at 1.3 for a win too low, and reckon paok is worth a small bet on the halftime.

Ionikos v Iraklis Saloniki
Iraklis halftime at 2.9 for 0.35 units.

Here we got a team that just drew at home with cl aek 2-2 and played some great football at times during the game. Their morale is high, their quality in terms of players much better, they got a far better and more experienced coach than ionikos. The reason i am not betting the three way line and choosing a half time bet is that they do have some key absences. But i figure if they are to win they have to play well and score from first half, otherwise i think a halftime draw will be instrumental for ionikos to get something out of this game. Well worth the punt at 2.9.

bol. Jack.

[This message was edited by JackDee on September 27, 2003 at 10:18 AM.]
 

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Jack:

Earlier in the week you picked Man. Utd. to demolish Panathaniakos (Man Utd. won 1-0). If Pan. was such an underdog to Man. Utd. and they beat Xanthi 1-0, why is Xanthi so highly regarded here?

Is the line here off due to the recent losses/tie by Xanthi and the recent 3-0 win by Aris? That sometimes skews a line.

Thanks.
 

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big, earlier this week i overestimated real sociedad not man. utd to demolish olympiakos not panathinaikos, and they unfortunately only won 1-0. The differences between greek football and english one, esp. the top 5-6 teams in english football are vast that's why when a middle of the table team such as xanthi is highly regarded when they only marginally lose to one of the top greek teams, namely olympiakos, panathinaikos or aek. It's kinda like the scotish league with rangers and celtic being on a league of their own with comparison to the rest, although doing from average to poor in their european endeavours.

The line is off due to that to a small extent, but more because aris is a team that foreign bookmakers expect to be bet much more heavily than xanthi. So i reckon public opinion is what skewers the line here.
 

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Right you are about olympiakos, my error. I should have re-read your post.

Your explanation makes perfect sense. Thanks for taking the time.
 

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OFI Crete v Chalkidona
Under at 2.0 for 0.75 units.
"For some reason gamebookers have made the under a dog with 2.0 odds. This is downright wrong, except for a the three top 3 teams (aek, panathinaikos and olympiakos) no other greek team should have their over odds at such a high price in the low scoring and bad quality greek league. Sure enough ofi had 4 goals against them by iraklis, but they were playing with a player less from the 10th minute or so, and a 1-3 defeat by umbrella team panathinaikos. Chalchidona is not really what you call a boxing sack defensively. I am not saying the bet will hit, how could i, but there's a huge overlay in the odds here and i am not willing to let it pass."

Well, it looks like fonbet linemakers and yours trully agree here, and disagree with the rest:
"Fonbet o/u 2.5 over 1.85 under 1.75"

Let's hope we are right fonbet...
 

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Good luck with those, Jack!
I don't expect us to be bosom buddies but we both know where the goals lie.

Let's focus on those this year.

For my part I shall try to maintain an unambiguous and fairly plain standard of English. After all, where's the value in using long words where monosyllables would suffice?

Joke, Jack, joke.
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"I don't expect us to be bosom buddies but we both know where the goals lie. Let's focus on those this year."

I couldnt agree more.

bol. Jack.
 

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aek panathinaikos local derbi about to start in an hour and a half, after all the latest new and some deliberation, i ll have 1 unit on the over.

as for the results so far, nothning really profitable, but i am about 0.5 units down, so no real losses either. In a few moments the half at iraklis will be over so a nice halftime bet for 0.35 units will offer a marginal 0.25 or something unit profit in total, whilst waiting for the rest of the bets and games.

bol.
 

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thanks big, bol of luck to you too man.

i am about 1.8 units up, i try to keep track of the record but i ll scrap the decimal accuracy, so i might actually be up 1.6 or 2, but give or take it's 1.8 units, so not too good, but not bad either, i took a few shots that misfired, a few chances here and there, and i should have bet more units on my higher odd bets, but all in all i was right in a most of my choices, i esp. liked paok under, halftime win for iraklis, and the draw for panionios, a couple of units profit is still a profit so i am happy with that.

ytd +1.8 units.
 

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some really bad lines out there, early lines, i am pounding them early, and i d suggest some of you do to...

panionios v. aek. aek at 1.9, this is unreal, this unimpressive panionios team are having top team aek at 1.9 after two days of their failed sub par effort against mediocre danish team in the uefa, 2.5 units on this one.

Xanthi v. olympiakos 1.4 from betandwin, a gift, 2.5 more units on this one.

Chalkidona v. Kalithea, 4.0 for an away win, you gotta be joking, 1.5 units on the away win and another 1.5 units on the draw at 3.3
 

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these books are employing some amateurs for the greek league, white collar linemakers, with no gambling sense, wish i had a few hundreds of thousands of euros to bet on, so i d close a few shops down...
 

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Jack,

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> these books are employing some amateurs for the greek league, white collar linemakers, with no gambling sense, wish i had a few hundreds of thousands of euros to bet on, so i d close a few shops down... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Before closing them down, check what these "books" are into:

(From FFO forum)


Warnung!

An alle Sportwetter, die glauben, bei betandwin Geld gewinnen zu können. Vor rund einem Monat habe ich bei betandwin, wo ich seit Monaten Kunde war, u.a. eine Dreier-Kombi platziert, die auch wirklich aufgegangen ist. Seit diesem Zeitpunkt hat betandwin mein Konto geschlossen und weigert sich, mein gewonnenes Geld auszubezahlen. Tage- Wochenlang hat betwandwin nicht einmal eine Begründung dafür angegeben. Erst nach mehreren Anrufen bekam ich folgende Auskunft: betwandwin vermutet, daß ich Mitglied eines Syndikats bin bzw. für Buchmacher über mein Konto Wetten platziere. Was natürlich ein riesen Schwachsinn ist aber zur Folge hat, daß betandwin mein Geld immer noch nicht ausbezahlt hat. Und es wird noch besser: Bet and Win hat mir über den Sicherheitsverantwortlichen das Angebot gemacht, meine Wettegewinn auszubezahlen, allerdings ohne eine von mir gewettete Remis-Partie!

Das ist als ob mann einen Lottospieler anbietet, anstatt eines Lottosechsers nur einen vierer auszubezahlen.Es wird mir wohl nur der Gerichtsweg bleiben um den mir zustehenden Gewinn auch wirklich zu bekommen. Alle Wettkollegen seinen hiermit gewarnt: Bei betandwin ist man nur solange gern gesehen, solange man brav einzahlt und verliert. Wer gewinnt, braucht einen guten Anwalt.

Euer Tomi



Warning,

to all people betting on sports, believing they can win at "betandwin.com"!

About a month ago I placed a three-way combo at "betandwin.com", where I had been a customer over several months in the past. As it turned out, the bet won. Ever since that day my account has been closed and the people at "betandwin.com" refuse to pay me my money.
Over several weeks the management declined to give any reason or even comment on the matter. After placing numerous calls to the company, I was told that they suspect me of being a member of a syndicate. They also say that they suspect me of placing bets for other bookies.

This of course is abslute nonsense, but that that does not change the fact, that I still do not have my money. I will have to go to court with "betandwin" in order to get my money. So I am issuing a SERIOUS WARNING to all of you betters out there: You are welcome at "betandwin.com" ---- as long as you lose. If you win you WILL need a good lawyer.


Tomi


Ergeht an folgende Adressen:
 

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mata, although i appreciate your concern, football fixed odds, is one of the most unreliable forums. The site owners, and self professed football expert punters, are nothing but crooks working for the bookmakers. I ve read tons of horror stories over there based on who their sponsors at time were, none of them verified by my own experience. They obviously continue the same shit this year. Betandwin is an established co. in austria a conglomarate of casinos and bookmakers, they are on the forefront of marketing and advertisement of their services in europe and in their local stock market. No one that I know of has ever had a problem with them. If one wont "trust" a bookmaker with such credentials, it's really hard to see where else would they bet.
 

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Adding:

Aris v. Ofi, x2 double chance at 1.9 (another overlay here). 1.25 units on this one.
 

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I can add some horror stories about bet&win,they are not the book it used to be
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JackDee,they will cut your limits to 5-25 euros if ya dare to win,but whats more worrying is that they ve started slow paying people,and also using lame excuses for not paying at all,here is an example:

"Your account has been closed by our Security Department. We are not happy with one of the games you placed your bet on, and this is currently being investigated. We may contact the police in order to check on the possible fradulent game. We will keep you informed about this issue, but are unable to pay out any funds until this matter is resolved."
 

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hmm, that's some serious issue here, and coming from a reliable source like yourself, i only recently deposited any serious money with them because besides their live bet and one of the faster greek league odds out, they really are nothing to write home about in terms of vig or asian handicaps, or unders and overs. and 5 euros is well a bit low should we say, lol.
 

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Jack,

Personally, I don't like to post stories unless I can corroborate somewhere else. I left b&w quite a while ago, the reason was cancelling some of my winning bets after the event, what I'm seeing now is that they got from bad to worse.

Normally I'd laugh my ass off the example posted by VG, however it's just a sad truth.
 

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